White or black wheels?

[Elton A]

Hi guysOK I am in the process of building up a budget TT machine (around £700) for the new season, based on the Ribble TT frame, which I'm very pleased with.The frame is bright white with black decals. Components are a mix of black and white, as I want a nice looking co-ordinated machine. Quandary though...I've seen some aero wheels that are nice looking that are available in black or white (black and white hubs respectively, stainless spokes), but I cannot decide if white wheels would be over-kill, or if it would make the bike classy looking or cheap; natch I want classy. Both wheels have red decals Weinmann Pegasus White and Weinmann Pegasus BlackSure, cheap wheels but nice for the money and like I said I'm on a budget. Oh btw Ribble TT Frame if you need to look.Thoughts and opinions appreciated. Thanks a lot guysEDIT: Black carbon forksElt

[Tom Staniford]

If you had to choose- black wheels.but I wouldn't buy those wheels. 2.5kg for the pair?! No thankyou, not even for 120 quid. Get some Shimano RS10s or something. Similar price but 600-700g lighter!

[Elton A]

Yeah I know Tom they are heavy blighters. They'll be ok once up to speed but as all my TTs are on hilly courses with long drags, I think they may slow me down. I do also like the Shimano RS-30s.Anyone else want to back up Tom? EDIT: and bugger me, I've just found a set of RS10s for £66!!

[Tom Staniford]

They won't be ok. They're rubbish. 2.5kg is taking the mickey and any aero/rolling benefits on the flat will be completely negligible. Get something else, seriously.RS10s, 20s, 30s, the WH50 or whatever. All far far better for similar price or less.

[Elton A]

Advice gratefully accepted. Thanks Tom

[Tom Staniford]

No worries. There are lots of nice wheels at that price for 1700-1800g a pair. I only mention Shimano as they're easy to find and have good reviews!

[Elton A]

Well I ran Shimano 105 wheels (not sure which RS group they are) all last season in the TTs and I was never slow, in fact, I regularly beat people with high-end TT machines, on a road bike with clip-ons! So it's the engine that matters Just hope a proper TT bike can give me a slight edge this year....

[Tom Staniford]

If you've still got those wheels, use them! Guarantee they're lighter than 2.5kg!

[Elton A]

I have Tom, but the rear wheel has become pretty worn out with the past winters commuting; braking on hills at the moment is making me nervous! Anyway, the Mrs has just told me that I can have a pair of these for my birthday which I wanted originally, and I know a certain Shadow Dancer swears by them (oh and I love your blogg btw SD).Elt

[puddings]

also dont assume that deep section equals aero - if the shape is wrong it wont provide an aero advantage with your only aero savings coming from reduced spoke count Elton A wrote (see)Yeah I know Tom they are heavy blighters. They'll be ok once up to speed but as all my TTs are on hilly courses with long drags, I think they may slow me down. I do also like the Shimano RS-30s. Anyone else want to back up Tom? EDIT: and bugger me, I've just found a set of RS10s for £66!! you have answer one of your own questions here - you have hills to deal with and you know they will slow you down due to weight (and since all of the weight is in the rim you are not just carrying it but also having to turn it)CRC have the RS 30s in for £160 (plus come in white or black so you can still have the same conundrum!)

[Elton A]

I know what you mean with the wheel profile puddings; the Zipp wheels are a good example because of how they bulge out slightly from below the braking surface, plus the dimples reputedly help. But I'm too poor for those beggars....Well most of the TTs are on Anglesey; it's the 25 that concerns me the most. It is very undulating, but I'd say the climb on the return route is the hardest to maintain the speed, so heavy wheels won't help. My PB on that last year was 1:02.07 which I was dead pleased with, but if I can knock a minute off that on a TT specific sled I will be even happier as long as I can maintain my top 5 finishes. Oops sorry slightly off-topic....Elt

[Shadow Dancer]

Elton A wrote (see) I have Tom, but the rear wheel has become pretty worn out with the past winters commuting; braking on hills at the moment is making me nervous! Anyway, the Mrs has just told me that I can have a pair of these for my birthday which I wanted originally, and I know a certain Shadow Dancer swears by them (oh and I love your blogg btw SD).Elt I'm humbled you read it and more so you think it's worth mentioning you do in public, thanks.As for the K1's, tell them I sent you when you order them (Say Hi to Andy from me, you might get a discount or freebie!) and you already know how much I think of them and how they perform, so I am pretty sure you will be happy as can be with them when you get them and try them.Thanks for reading.

[Elton A]

Your welcome SD - it's an enjoyable read; makes me think I should start scribbling on my blog again, more so about my rides as well as my mountain exploits. (ps: it's my homepage!)

[Shadow Dancer]

OK, now you are creeping, I got no money so it's not worth your time.  It started out as a simple training diary and it's sort of got a bit wild and taken on a life of it's own.

[Mike O'Hanlon]

White wheel are just wrong!!!

[Martin Moore]

Yep - go for black - you'll never go back.....

[Elton A]

Well I'm going to go for the RS30s. Decent price and natty looking and they have red nipples!

[Shadow Dancer]

No K1's?

[Elton A]

Well the thing is SD I just can't decide. The pic on Kinetic's site makes them look naff; I'd hate to receive them and they WERE naff. Although, you gave them a good write up. I suppose they do have bladed spokes, which always looks nice.

[Shadow Dancer]

Not keen on the white K1's, but the black ones I have are good looking and when I first got them I kept getting comments on them when out on club rides.  & that was from guys with Mavics to Reynolds, so they are eyecatching.Each to their own though.

[Elton A]

I think I'd go for the black ones anyway; the whites wouldn't stay white for long!

[Shadow Dancer]

Yeah, soon as you step outside the door you get paranoid about how much dirt they are going to attract, great to look at for all of about 5 seconds then they just wind you up.

[Dr Skweek]

Hey, partly depends on the finish. Black are usually anodized which is an excellent durable finish BUT white may be painted which will scratch, chip, flake off and soon look awfull.So, you need to knowexactly what is the colour finish.

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[Elton A]

Of course I want those Vlad. But I am very poor so can only afford lowly pauper's type-wheels Besides, the Mrs is paying see, and she even balks at wheels that cost £100 never mind £1200. When I'm earning my millions, then I may purchase five sets...

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[psycho_genius]

So where did you find the uber cheap RS10s? Did you manage to acquire your RS30s for a similarly awesome price?