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    Aware of that counter argument, they say children that grew up in a home without a dishwasher have stronger immune systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The return of Marty Wild View Post
    Aware of that counter argument, they say children that grew up in a home without a dishwasher have stronger immune systems.
    Dishwasher.?....my mum didn’t have a Auitomatic washing machine until the late 90s!
    We don’t have a dishwasher.We’ve used them in holiday accommodation but see little point in having one.We eat,wash up,dry and put away.

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    Holy shit, next you’ll be telling me you don’t have heated towel rails?!
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    Currently working on a compare and contrast essay on the innate and adaptive immune systems.

    It's actually more interesting than it sounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick1020 View Post
    Currently working on a compare and contrast essay on the innate and adaptive immune systems.

    It's actually more interesting than it sounds
    Have you heard of Wim Hoff breathing techniques that supposedly can alter our immune system? What do you think? I have been reading about different schools of breathing ('Oxygen Advantage' by McKeown based on Buteyko method postulating that we're overbreathing vs Wim Hoff's deep breath techniques).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The return of Marty Wild View Post
    Holy shit, next you’ll be telling me you don’t have heated towel rails?!
    Got a heated toilet seat
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    Quote Originally Posted by portia View Post
    Have you heard of Wim Hoff breathing techniques that supposedly can alter our immune system? What do you think? I have been reading about different schools of breathing ('Oxygen Advantage' by McKeown based on Buteyko method postulating that we're overbreathing vs Wim Hoff's deep breath techniques).
    At the risk of veering off topic, (oh go on then) I’m intrigued by the notion of lung efficiency. Dolphins, Whales have excellent efficiency (as demonstrated by how long they can hold their breath for by extracting all the O2) and humans don’t. It can be improved through training, with obvious benefits in sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by portia View Post
    Have you heard of Wim Hoff breathing techniques that supposedly can alter our immune system? What do you think? I have been reading about different schools of breathing ('Oxygen Advantage' by McKeown based on Buteyko method postulating that we're overbreathing vs Wim Hoff's deep breath techniques).
    Not heard of it tbh Ports. Not too sure what to make of the associated claim either. Sounds a bit of a mix of zen and new age stuff, but obviously can't say more until I've had the chance to read supporting evidence.

    There's no doubt breathing techniques can be beneficial in relieving stress and improving efficiency and oxygen uptake, but as to whether it's possible to alter one's immune system, I'm not so sure. What would be the measure to prove it? An increase in certain types of leukocytes? A reduction in infection (which would be hard to prove is down to a change of breathing alone)? If there is an improvement in immune system function, could the breathing technique reduce cancers from developing? Would it be changing the function of either the innate or adaptive immune system? Would there be an increase in certain types of immunoglobulin isotypes (IgA, D, E, G, M)? Could it be something as simple as the user 'feeling' healthier?

    I'm sceptical Ports, but who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRSboy View Post
    At the risk of veering off topic, (oh go on then) I’m intrigued by the notion of lung efficiency. Dolphins, Whales have excellent efficiency (as demonstrated by how long they can hold their breath for by extracting all the O2) and humans don’t. It can be improved through training, with obvious benefits in sport.
    That's what McKeown is saying. He points out that in endurance sports breathing and oxygen management is one of the most important aspects. Yet not many athletes actually consciously practises breathing or pay any special attention to it.

    The reason I found out about his book is because it was mentioned on the TrainerRoad podcast. There's lots of interviews with him on YouTube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick1020 View Post
    Not heard of it tbh Ports. Not too sure what to make of the associated claim either. Sounds a bit of a mix of zen and new age stuff, but obviously can't say more until I've had the chance to read supporting evidence.

    There's no doubt breathing techniques can be beneficial in relieving stress and improving efficiency and oxygen uptake, but as to whether it's possible to alter one's immune system, I'm not so sure. What would be the measure to prove it? An increase in certain types of leukocytes? A reduction in infection (which would be hard to prove is down to a change of breathing alone)? If there is an improvement in immune system function, could the breathing technique reduce cancers from developing? Would it be changing the function of either the innate or adaptive immune system? Would there be an increase in certain types of immunoglobulin isotypes (IgA, D, E, G, M)? Could it be something as simple as the user 'feeling' healthier?

    I'm sceptical Ports, but who knows?
    I'm sceptical about Wim Hoff as well... just his wacky impression, not that I'm an expert on that.
    Here's him explaining the bit about the immune system:
    https://youtu.be/TM6WKeZ43s4?t=246

    He goes quite technical which I don't understand at all. I'm sure it'll make more sense to you.
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